This thread is dedicated to speculative ideas in Science, both good and bad ones, which are all subject to change. That's science at its best, when it can change with new evidence.

Here is the first entry:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2219965.stm

Is our Moon a little piece of us?

5 UFOs?

Well, I can't be sure what I saw, but tonight when I looked up at the sky, about 8PM Pacific Time, I saw three fast moving lights high up, over the Pacific but almost overhead, moving north to south, when they suddenly all three stopped and looked like they were drifting slowly over me, but very high up. I thought it was odd for jet planes to act thus, since that's what I first thought they were, maybe fighter planes. Then another two came from same direction and went past them, thinking they were pursuing planes, but then they also stopped. I watched all five stay there, two to the left and three overhead, and my first thought was that the these were not ordinary airplanes. As I watched for another minute or so, they began to fade out, until only one was on the far left, and then it faded too. I don't know what I saw, but they had no flashing lights, rather a kind of orangy color, bright at first, but then faded out into darkenss where they were barely visible. They could have been rockets that stopped and parachuted down, but their behavior didn't look like that. So I am puzzled as to what I saw. I only had one beer at the birthday party I had attended, so this is sober testimony.

Ivan

Ivan,

Careful observation of the sky when doing things outside presents us with a dilemma - what is out there in the universe cannot be explained logically. To me, that is partial acknowledgement the scientific method alone is not adequate to explain this place we named the universe.

I do not believe that we are “privileged” and the only life forms in the universe since that would be a rather ‘elitist assumption’; moreover, science and logic cannot explain how it would be possible for life to form of its own volition – free will. Today, it seems that the scientific community at large ignores simplicity and embraces complexity, which is not in accord with an honest scientific methodology. I think science has become a specific type of religion, whereas faith in a theory over rides logic, and nullifies the potential of exactitude in experimentation and observation.

It is more logical to believe – life migrated to earth from elsewhere in the universe, than it is to believe – life manifested of nothing, or inert matter.

Claude

Claude,

"Hear, hear!" This is not the first time I saw things I could not explain, and now I have seen about a half dozen of such phenomena. The first time was at dawn from the Palisades in New Jersey, where a friend and I were traveling along the Hudson going north to the Catskills on a summer morning. Over New York City was a luminous barbell type aerial craft stationary and quite visible for about 10 minutes before it faded out. I think I was in my late teens, and it got me to wondering.

Anyone else see strange scientific unexplainable phenomena? I'd like to say I was seeing things, but I am quite certain my observation was not a hallucination. Of course, I've never seen these things up close, and no one ever approached with the famous "take me to your leader". Then again, who knows?

I agree with what you say, that science has drifted too far into complexity at the price of ignoring the obvious. But then, a "priestly" class will do that, won't it?

Ivan

LIFTER TECHNOLOGY

Does anyone have any opinions on this "gravitational force" technology? The links below show some promise of success:

Lifters Experiment:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lifters.htm

How to build a Lifter:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lftbld.htm

Gravitor -- with British Patent (1928):
http://www.rexresearch.com/gravitor/gravitor.htm

On this last, pay especial attention to the patent write up on pp. 8 & 12, which talks about excess incandescent heat which needs to be taken away with air or water. Note the smaller anode is the + sign, and the larger one is (-), which gives physical motion from minus to plus. I am not totally convinced this device is not powered by ion emission, or by some other force that acts on surrounding air molecules, rather than on a gravitational force, but don't know. Or is it truly a "gravitational" force?

So this is the question: What powers the Lifters? Some of them are rather sophisticated with many lattice construction, though nowhere does it say how long they stay aloft, nor how high, nor what happens when the sudden charge dissipates.

Finally, this page gives you more links to look at on Electrogravitational Mechanics:
http://www.electrogravity.com/

Are we curious? I am!

Ivan

NICOLA TESLA, lost manuscript.

This was lifted off a Yahoo Club page, where the writer Mikhail Shapkin, Uzbekistan
Tashkent ( mikesh@albatros.uz ), shares with the group a "lost" manuscript by Tesla. I have no way to verify if this is truth or fiction. But it is interesting because in it Tesla refers to ideas closely paralleled in Atomus Summus, posted elsewhere on this Forum. In particular this caught my attention:

"The ether has a very strong density. It is known that of
more dense is a substance, the higher is the speed of wave
propagation within it. When comparing acoustic speed in the air and
the light speed I have drawn a conclusion that ether density is
several thousand times higher than air density. It is not the ether
that is aeriform but the material world is an aeriform to the ether!
But as the ether is electrically neutral it very poorly interacts
with material world. Notwithstanding that poor interaction we still
can feel the ether's existence. Good example for such an interaction
becomes apparent in gravitation..."

(Links to Tesla's work are listed at bottom)
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Unknown manuscript of Nicola Tesla.

Introduction.

This manuscript has been allowed to me by my acquaintance. During his
stay in USA he bought an old fire-helmet, which was on sale in the
streets of New-York. There was an old writing-book inside this
helmet. The writing-book had thin and partially burned covers
producing the smell of mould. All its yellowed sheets were full of
notes written by ink faded under the influence of time. Somewhere,
the ink has lost its color so deeply that the letters could barely be
guessed right on the yellowed paper. And in some places, large parts
of the text have been completely spoiled by water having changed into
the white ink-stains. In addition, all the sheets have been burnt on
the edges and some words have been lost irretrievably. I have got a
computer and therefore, it did not make great difficulty to translate
the manuscript. Right after the manuscript was translated I
understood that it belongs to famous inventor Nicola Tesla who lived
and worked in USA. There has been a lot of work done to put the
translated text into final form. The one who dealt with translator
computer software would understand me entirely. I had many problems
arisen from the lost words and sentences. I could never understand
many minor but, probably, very important details of the manuscript. I
hope this manuscript will slightly open some mysteries of history and
the universe.

Part 1. You are wrong, Mr. Einstein – ether does exist!

They say much about the Einstein's theory now. According to Einstein
the ether does not exist and many people agree with him. But it is a
mistake in my opinion. Ether's opponents refer to the experiments of
Maykelson – Morli who made the attempts to detect the Earth's
movement relatively to the fixed-bed ether. These experiments failed,
however it didn't mean the ether's non-existence. I always was based
upon the existence of mechanical ether in my works and therefore I
could achieve positive success. What the ether is and why is it so
difficult to detect it? I reflected this matter seriously long and
here are the outcomes I have been led to: I think that all the
contradictions about does the ether exist or not are the result of
wrong interpretation the ether's properties. The ether has always
been presented as aeriform environment. That was the essential
mistake. The ether has a very strong density. It is known that of
more dense is a substance, the higher is the speed of wave
propagation within it. When comparing acoustic speed in the air and
the light speed I have drawn a conclusion that ether density is
several thousand times higher than air density. It is not the ether
that is aeriform but the material world is an aeriform to the ether!
But as the ether is electrically neutral it very poorly interacts
with material world. Notwithstanding that poor interaction we still
can feel the ether's existence. Good example for such an interaction
becomes apparent in gravitation, which should be rather named as
universal compression. I think the material bodies do not gravitate
between each other but it is the ether that makes one material body
to press to another. We wrongly call this phenomena as gravitation.
We can also feel ether's reaction when sudden acceleration or
braking. The stars, planets and all the universe appeared from the
ether when some part of it due to certain reasons became less dense.
It can be compared with formation of blebs in boiling water although
such a comparison is to be rough. The ether tries to return itself to
the initial state by compressing our world, but intrinsic electric
charge within material world substance obstruct this. It is similar
to that when the water compresses blebs filled with hot water steam.
Until the steam does get cold the water can not be able to compress
the bleb. With time, having lost the intrinsic electric charge, our
world will be compressed with the ether and is going to turn into the
ether. Once it have come out from the ether - and so it will go into
the ether. Density of substance of material world strongly differs
from the density and physical properties of the ether. Therefore, the
ether can not remain in fixed-bed state around material bodies and
when certain circumstances there will be ether whirlwind appearing
around material bodies. Hence, we can explain the reason of failure
of Maykelson – Morli experiment. In order to understand it let's
carry the experiment over water environment. Try to imagine that our
boat is twirled within a huge whirlpool. We will try to detect water
motion relatively to the boat. We will not find out any movement as
the speed of the boat will be equal to the rate of water movement. In
our imagination let's replace the boat by the Earth, and the
whirlpool – by ether whirlwind, which revolves around the Sun. The
example shows clearly that when being on the Earth one can not detect
the Earth's movement relatively to the ether as the rate of Earth's
movement will be equal to the rate of ether movement. In my
researches I always adhere the principle that all nature phenomena
show themselves equally whichever physical environment they would
happen in. The waves exist in the water, air, ... and radios–waves
and the light are the waves in the ether. Einstein's assertion of non-
existence of the ether is erroneous. It is difficult to imagine radio-
wave and light transmission without ether. Einstein says that there
is no ether and at the same time, practically he proves its
existence. For example, let's consider the speed of pass of the
light. Einstein states that velocity of light does not depend on the
rate of movement of the light source. It's correct. But this
principle can exist only when the light source is in certain physical
environment (ether), which cuts down velocity of light due to its
properties. Ether's substance cuts down the velocity of light in the
same way as air substance cuts down acoustic speed. If the ether did
not exist then velocity of light would strongly depend on the rate of
movement of the light source. Having clarified what is the ether is I
began to compare phenomena occurring in the water, air and ether. And
here has an opportunity occurred to help me well in my researches.
Once I saw to a sailor was smoking a pipe. He was exhaling smoke in
the form of little rings. Smoke rings flied pretty far away before
they get broken. Then I investigated this phenomena in the water. I
took a metal jar and carved out a small vent on the one side and
pulled on a thin leather on another side. I pour some ink into the
jar and lowered it onto pool. When harsh hit of the leather ink-rings
flied out of the jar crossing over all the pool and get broken having
bumped into its wall that produced substantial motions of water at
the pool's wall. At the same time, the water in the pool kept being
quiet. - "This method can be used to transfer energy", …- I
understand short what is the ball lightning and how to transfer
energy within long range without using wires. Einstein tries to
explain light movement when no ether environment by Plank quantum
hypothesis. Will be Einstein able to explain ball lightning phenomena
when non-existence of ether? It is no any possibility to explain the
ball lightning phenomena without ether ! Based on these
investigations I have constructed a generator, which could generate
ether vortical rings, which I called as ether vortical objects. It
was my achievement. I was in euphoria. It seemed to me like I can do
everything. I promised the world not having completely studied this
phenomena and took the severe punishment for that. I was not financed
any more but what the most unpleasant thing was that I was not
trusted any more. The Euphoria has changed to deep depression. And I
dared to start my crazy experiment then.

Part 2. I will keep the secret of my invention until I die.

After my failures I became more self-restrained in making promises…
During my work with ether vortical objects I understood that they
behave not in that manner I thought before. It turned out that when
vortical objects passed near metal objects they lost their energy and
collapsed, sometimes exploding. Deep Earth layers have absorbed their
energy as strongly as the metal did. So, I could transmit energy only
within small distances. I paid an attention to the Moon then. If
ether vortical objects are sent to the Moon, they will return back to
the Earth very far from the transmitter, having been reflected from
electrostatic field. As the hade is equal to the angle of reflection,
then energy could be transmitted in very long distances, even to the
other part of the Earth. I carried out several experiments
transmitting the energy towards the Moon. The experiments discovered
that the Earth is surrounded by electric field. This field kept
destroying faint ether vortical objects. Ether vortical objects
possessing big energy, burst through electric field of the Earth and
extend at interplanetary space. And right here, the idea came to my
mind that if I can create resonance system between the Earth and the
Moon, then power of the transmitter may be very small while the
energy derived out of this system could be considerable. Having made
the calculations on how much energy can be derived I was surprised at
it. The calculations showed that the energy derived from this system
is enough to fully destroy a big city. For the first time at that
moment I realized that my system could represent a danger for the
mankind. However, I still greatly wanted to carry out my experiment.
Secretly from everyone I began to thoroughly prepare my crazy
experiment. First of all, I needed to select the place for my
experiment. Arctic Zone did the best for it. There were no people
there and I would injure nobody. But the calculation showed that with
the Moon being at present position the ether vortical object can
strike the Siberia, but people could live there. I went to the
library and began to study the information concerning Siberia. The
information was very small but, however, I saw that there are almost
no people in Siberia. I should keep my experiment a deep secret
otherwise, the consequences could prove to be very unpleasant for me
and for all mankind. I always worry about one question : will my
discoveries be for good of the people? Because it had been known for
a long time that the people used all inventions to extirpate the
similar ones. The fact that much of my equipment in my laboratory has
been dismantled to that moment considerably contributed to keeping my
secret. However, I could save the equipment I required for my
experiment. I alone assembled a new transmitter out of this equipment
and connected it up to the emitter. The experiment with such a big
quantity of energy could be very dangerous. If I made a mistake in my
calculations the energy of ether vortical object would strike astern.
That's why I was not in the laboratory but two miles aside it. The
work of my installation has been operated by clockwork. The principle
of the experiment was rather simple. In order to better understand
its principle it is necessary to grasp first what are the ether
vortical object and ball lightning. Basically, they are the same. The
only difference is that the ball lightning is a visible ether object.
Visibility of ball lightning is provided by fluorescence of charged
air particles. It could be compared with ink coloring of water
vortical particles in my experiment in the pool. In order to create
resonant Earth – Moon system it was needed to create necessary
concentration of charged particles between the Earth and the Moon.
For that, I used a property of ether vortical objects to capture and
transfer charged particles. The generator has emanated the ether
vortical objects towards the Moon. When passing through electric
field of the Earth ether vortical objects have captured charged
particles within it. As electrostatic field of the Moon has the same
polarity as an electric field of the Earth, the ether vortical
objects have been reflected from it and this time, again returned to
the Earth at another angle. After returning to the Earth the ether
vortical objects have been reflected again by electric field of the
Earth back to the Moon… That was the way, by which the Earth – Moon
resonant system has been occupied by charged particles. When the
required concentration of charge particles in resonant Earth – Moon
system was achieved it has been energized itself at its own resonant
frequency. The energy million times assisted by resonance properties
of the system was being changed into ether vortical object of a huge
power within electric field of the Earth. However, it was only my
guesswork, and I didn't know how it would be in reality. I remember
very well the day of experiment. Estimated time came near. Minutes
dragged on so slowly and seemed as they were years. I thought I would
go crazy of this waiting. At last, the estimated time came and …
nothing happened! Another five minutes passed but nothing unusual
took place. Various theories took into my head: maybe clockwork
hasn't worked or the system hasn't snapped into action, and maybe
nothing must happen at all. I was on the verge of insanity. And
suddenly … It seemed to me that the light has grown dark for a moment
and strange feeling has been sensed throughout all my body - as if
thousands of needles have been pierced into my body. Soon everything
was over but there was unpleasant metallic after-taste left in my
mouth. All my muscles have become relaxed and there was a buzzing in
my head. I felt totally worn out. When I returned to my laboratory I
found that it was practically intact, just there was a strong smell
of burning in the air... And again, agonizing suspense has seized me,
as I didn't know the results of my experiment. And only later on,
having read about unusual phenomena in the newspapers I realized what
a dreadful arm I have created. Of course, I expected that it would be
a very heavy explosion. But, it has been not even an explosion - it
has been a catastrophe! After that experiment I determined that I
would keep the secret of my invention until I die. Of course, I knew
that someone else could easily repeat this crazy experiment. But this
would require the acknowledgement that the ether exists but our
scientific world further and further moved away from the truth. I am
even grateful to Einstein and others because through their erroneous
theories they lead away the mankind from that dangerous path I
followed. And, probably, this is their only merit. Perhaps, in about
one hundred years when the reason prevails over the brute, my
invention will serve for welfare of people.

Part 3. Flying machine.

My hypothesis that gravitation is a compression of material bodies by
ether have been recently confirmed experimentally. When working with
the generator of ether vortical objects I observed one very odd
phenomena. When its turning on I could feel a wind blowing towards
the generator. I decided to investigate this phenomena . I rolled up
several newspapers and kindled and immediately extinguish them. There
was a thick smoke coming from newspapers. With these reeky newspapers
I went around the generator. The smoke came to the generator from any
spot of laboratory. And the smoke disappeared near to generator. At
first, I thought the reason relates to electrostatics. But having
considered this phenomena I concluded: electrostatics could not be
able to cause these phenomena in such a long distance from the
generator. Then I supposed : - the Generator lessen the compression
of ether through impact to the ether (gravity) ! I constructed big
scales to make sure of it. One side of the scales was positioned over
the generator. In order to exclude an electromagnetic influence of
the generator the scales were made out of highly dried wood. In order
to protect against electrostatic field of the generator the scales
were worked up by graphite powder. After I accurately balanced the
scales I turned on the generator. The side of scales that was over
the generator began rapidly to go up. I turned on the generator. The
scales went down. I turned off the generator. The scales went down
and began to swing until it was fully balanced out. I loaded the
scales with the ballast and changed its capacity and operating mode
striving for its balance. After these experiments I planned to build
a flying machine, which could fly not only in the air but within
interplanetary space. Principle of operation of the flying machine is
as follows: towards the flight direction compression of the ether is
to become weaker by the generator installed in the flying machine. As
the ether keeps to press with prior intensity from all other sides,
then the flying machine began moving. Being within this flying
machine you will not feel its speeding-up as the ether is not to
hamper your movement. I had to abandon to create the flying machine.
There were two reasons for it: first, I have no money to work veiled.
But the main reason is that the great war began in Europe and I
wouldn't like my inventions as are killed ! When on earth will these
madmen stop?

Postscript.

You read a brief version of manuscript of Nicola Tesla. This
manuscript version aimed for the broad audience therefore there is no
details understandable only for the specialists in it. You shouldn't
search for style similarity of Tesla's entry with his other known
documents in this manuscript version. You shouldn't forget that this
manuscript has been translated by computer, besides the state of the
notebook was very bad. However, I tried to convey main point of
Tesla's notes utmost accurately. Unfortunately, there was a great
damage through water effect of that manuscript passage where the
generator of ether vortical objects was described. But, nevertheless,
from those scrappy data I could understand the principle of work of
this generator, however, there is a shortage of several details to
have an entire representation. In Tesla's manuscript there is an
information about biological impact of metal rings to animate nature.
There is a way of processing of metal wire by alternative current
provided in this part of manuscript. After such processing the metal
wire stranded into the circle is to kill microbes and protect people
against diseases. I tried this method by myself. As a result, I
didn't get ill with flu during last two winters although I had a flu
very often before. In unknown manuscript of Nicola Tesla there
following phrase: - the light moves in straight lines, the ether –
around the circle so the leaps arise hereby. – apparently, by this
phrase Tesla tried to explain why the light moves by leaps. In modern
physics this phenomena is called as quantum leap. Further in the
manuscript there is an explanation of this phenomena but it is fuzzy
a little. So I will present my reconstruction of the explanation of
this phenomena out of conserved words and sentences. In order to
better understand the reason of leap light movement let's imagine the
boat spinning within huge whirlpool. We will install the generator in
this boat. As the rate of movement of external and internal areas of
the whirlpool is different then the waves from the generator will
move by leaps when passing these areas. The same phenomena we can
observe with the light when it pass ether whirlwind. There is a
description of the principle of getting energy using ether vortical
objects in the manuscript. But it also was greatly damaged by the
water. That's why I will present my own reconstruction of the text.
This reconstruction is based on separate words and phrases of unknown
manuscript as well as on other publications of Nicola Tesla.
Therefore, I can not guarantee exact coincidence of the manuscript
text reconstruction to the original. To understand the method of
receiving energy with use of ether vortical objects let's imagine a
huge bleb swimming in the water. This bleb is very stable as it is
squeezed by the water from every quarter and it is influenced by the
force of radial compression. How can we extract the energy out of
this bleb? For this we have to break its stability. It can be done by
water whirlwind or if the bleb's side will be hit by water vortical
ring. If using ether vortical object we carry out the same thing with
any material body as the result we will get huge surge of energy. I
will present an example: when ball lightning touches any object the
result is a huge energy liberation and sometimes an explosion.

Mikhail Shapkin

Uzbekistan Tashkent

E-mail: mikesh@albatros.uz
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Links to Nicola Tesla web info:
http://www.neuronet.pitt.edu/~bogdan/tesla/
http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/tesla/tesla.html
http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jul/tesla.html

WHO'S ON FIRST?

There are some serious questions being raised about who the first settlers of the American continent were. The range is from Japanese to Siberians to Mongolians to Europeans, not a thousand years ago but 13,000 years ago. Here is an article exploring this first migration:

"Does skull prove that the first Americans came from Europe?"

Think of it, if the northern Atlantic was all ice, then why not "walk" over from Europe, as easily as walk over from Siberia? Or at least follow on foot or small boats herds and whales on the fringes of the great ice. It would be doable. Then there would have been a clash, over the millennia, of competing peoples and cultures going back even tens of thousands of years. The survivors of this competition were the people Europeans encountered when they arrived in this last wave of mirgration.

Good or bad idea? Don't know...

Ivan

SUGAR IS BAD FOR YOU

New Scientist article titled "Cut Sugar to battle obesity", responsible for half world's diseases.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=99993453

Claude

Nice pointless double-talk. Very nice. You're right in saying that it would be an elitist assumption to think our planet was the only planet to develope life but it's not more logical to assume life came from elsewhere in the universe. Rather, it is more logical to believe all life must somehow be formed from inert matter. Even if Earth was seeded with life from elsewhere that life would still have to have developed from something. Nothing is infinite, not even "this place we named the universe".