Miracle

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By Coyote on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 02:30 pm:

Following is one of the best definitions of a miracle that I have read:

In 1998, in Milipitas California, honey began to pour from the hands of a photograph of avatar, Sri Kalki, who is rapidly gaining global recognition for his ability to give enlightenment to others (able to transmit dikshas from an ancient lineage of enlightened beings), and the enlightened monastic order at his abode, Satyaloka Monastery.

Thousands flocked to the site to see the miracle and to taste the celestial honey. When asked about it, Kalki replied that the miracle was a marriage between science and religion, they have been separated for much too long. (There are pictures at the miracle link on his picture at
http://www.vedicshamanism.com.)

More recently ghee began to come from his picture in Bangalore http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?artid=29303534

Satyaloka is perhaps the largest known concentration of enlightened siddhas on the planet. The majority are women, putting to rest once and for all the philosophy that to attain mukti one must first take birth as a man or that taking birth as a female is some kind of negative karmic repercussion.


By Eds. on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 03:39 pm:

More on Miracles:

Miracles
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

In Search of Mathematical Miracles
Miraculous patterns in Sacred texts.

Bangladeshis flock to 'weeping Virgin'

"Thousands of people in the Bangladeshi port city of Chittagong are flocking to a Roman Catholic church where tears are reported to have been seen on a statue of the Virgin Mary." --BBC News, 18 Feb. 2003


By Ivan A. on Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 01:17 pm:

Miracles Are.

It is difficult, if not impossible, to justify miracles on the objective. There it is all laws of nature, of cause and effect, and of verifiable facts. The Will of God is not objectively justifiable or verifiable in the laws of nature, other than the possibility of their authorship. On the subjective, however, where volition is more real than merely the objective, there is room for God to Will a miracle, though this cannot be proven objectively.

If we were to seek a miracle, say in severe distress, then I may call on God to do so. For example, say I accidentally fall off a high cliff, and in my despair cry out "Oh God, help me!" And all of a sudden a great rush of air pushes me up from below so that I land gently, though still bruised. Can I call this a miraculous event? It is only hypothetical, of course, but it is possible to see an objectively verifiable event, that some dust storm or twister suddenly appears at the right moment to break my fall. So, subjectively, I may call it an act of God, or a miracle, though objectively I must defer to the facts that a natural event took place. It may have been a psychic event, where my severe distress caused me to conjure up a paranormal event, or it may have been an accidental chance event that saved me. So to me, it may have appeared miraculous, though this may or may not have been the case. But if I choose to say it was miracle, then it would fall into the domain of a paranormal event that could be ascribed to a volitional act of God.

The same could be said of stigmata, supernatural healing, resurrection from death, or the parting of the waters. On a purely objective sense, they are verifiable only as unexplained events. But on a subjective level, they may be the volitional events caused either by our psychic, though not understood, powers, or by calling upon a much greater force of volition, which we would call God. Natural laws are suspended temporarily for this supernatural event to take place. So there is no logical way to explain a miracle, except as a subjective event triggered by volitional forces, possibly rooted in some powerful psychic event witnessed thus. If there is a tradition of miracles in a people, it may be possible that this event then takes on a collective psychic power, one which will be interpreted as the tradition of this people will direct. Most often, this is understood in religious terms, such as the weeping of a holy statue. At times, it may be understood as a timely phenomenon of nature, such as a great ocean storm that destroys an attacking fleet. In almost all cases, however, these miracles occur at times of great human stress, war or impending war, apparitions that save a people from an enemy, mass healing accompanied by a saving visitor, etc. Without the benefit of objectively verifiable cause and event, we are then forced to call it a miracle. It may very well be that the Will of God, in this case, is not more than the psychic will of a people under great duress, in which a miracle manifests to save them from some great fear or threat. And if so, then this very saving act is indeed a miracle, for it defies logical explanation.

Ivan


By Anonymous on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 01:07 am:

DID MOSES HAVE "GOD ON THE BRAIN"?

Why do people experience religious visions, which are so real to them?

Are they invalid, or are they still real?


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